tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post9160767519768225128..comments2023-11-24T06:43:02.286+00:00Comments on Aspicientes in Jesum: Liturgical mattersPastor in Montehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05949810648656544072noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-71885362633966639622008-12-20T14:55:00.000+00:002008-12-20T14:55:00.000+00:00The neutral, non-denominational, totally secular "...The neutral, non-denominational, totally secular "Go in peace" will dominate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-42095400245963400512008-11-09T21:11:00.000+00:002008-11-09T21:11:00.000+00:00One reason that liturgists for years have been say...One reason that liturgists for years have been saying that the sign of peace should come before the presentation of gifts is nothing more than Jesus's own words: "Before you bring your gift to the altar, go and be reconciled with your brother or sister and then bring your gift...." - scarcely a frivolity. Similarly, the Oratio Universalis (aka Bidding Prayers, not a very good term) is far from a frivolity but simply bringing back into the rite what was already there before mediaeval developments started to skew things.<BR/><BR/><B>df</B>: It's unwise to talk about the Lord descending to the altar. Re-read Paul VI's <I>Mysterium fidei</I> (1965) on "modes of presence", and think (for example) about the Real Presence in the liturgical assembly ("Where two or three are gathered in me name...") or in the Proclamation of the Word, to name but two of many. Your phraseology could imply that the Lord is not present before the words of consecration, which is simply untrue.The Cardinalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05353340104187659373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-10405659688948960702008-10-19T00:01:00.000+01:002008-10-19T00:01:00.000+01:00Unless, in the OF, the Pax is to be drastically re...Unless, in the OF, the Pax is to be drastically reformed and confined to the Sanctuary (as it is in the EF) then it is better to move this highly disruptive element away from the solemn celebration of the Canon of the Mass and place it with the other OF frivolity the Prayers of the Faithful (Bidding Prayers).Vernonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17687528013354409865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-3150528033105205102008-10-15T22:04:00.000+01:002008-10-15T22:04:00.000+01:00I love the Pope and what he's done for the Latin R...I love the Pope and what he's done for the Latin Rite in his short reign so far... but do we really need more options? And do we really need to change the moment of the Pax? I think it's a fine thing that the Pax is proclaimed to the people once the Lord has descended to the Altar (which of course is shown more clearly still in the EF).dfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055151324113740448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-58095766176762846392008-10-15T18:07:00.000+01:002008-10-15T18:07:00.000+01:00—and Ite Missa est, to mine!—and Ite Missa est, to mine!Pastor in Montehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949810648656544072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-63374733991203270122008-10-15T18:03:00.000+01:002008-10-15T18:03:00.000+01:00"The Mass is ended. Go forth and do battle with ..."The Mass is ended. Go forth and do battle with the devil, the world and the flesh" would have been more to my liking.PeterHWrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734936083886678494noreply@blogger.com