tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post2109607002070284282..comments2023-11-24T06:43:02.286+00:00Comments on Aspicientes in Jesum: Baptism, baptizers and BaptistsPastor in Montehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05949810648656544072noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-88282912220284210312009-11-02T10:02:25.088+00:002009-11-02T10:02:25.088+00:00Recall that one of the Byzantine Emperors was surn...Recall that one of the Byzantine Emperors was surnamed Constantine Copronymous for a reason: as a babe brought for baptism, he crapped in the font, and was never allowed to forget it!Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-75485046970820069622009-11-01T15:12:30.330+00:002009-11-01T15:12:30.330+00:00On validity in this context: if one approaches thi...On validity in this context: if one approaches this question from a voluntaristic point of view (as one in that tradition might)then validity would be determined by exact conformance to God's will in the act. As nominalism seems frequently to accompany voluntarism, the lack of any notion of grace would not be troubling in this context.Gregory the Eremitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11652447286252910371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-55826512529904946702009-11-01T12:47:20.519+00:002009-11-01T12:47:20.519+00:00Portsmouth Anglican Cathedral has a walk-through f...Portsmouth Anglican Cathedral has a walk-through font under the chancel screen and organ. The idea is that at the Easter Vigil they should do the first bit in the nave and the Mass at the east end and do the baptisms as they are going from the west end to the east end. I can see some logic in this. I think it was thought up by a liturgically minded Dean who then became bishop of Salisbury and heavily involved in creating the Common Worship series of books.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11447511252614433412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-45564585691709702512009-11-01T03:52:04.642+00:002009-11-01T03:52:04.642+00:00Don't know about that Jane, regards the illega...Don't know about that Jane, regards the illegality. I'd check out those Muslim countries as the first suspect though.<br /><br />I remember reading that after the Soviet Revolution they'd blown up the church of Our Savior in a fit of atheistic hysteria - but Christians (usually of the Baptist persuasion, but others as well) did clandestine baptisms in the municipal swimming pool which had been built on the site.<br /><br />I also remember seeing pictures of structures[?}/pools built for the purpose of adult Baptism in ancient times. i.e. stone block construction, with a way to let in and empty the water, with steps leading in and out. I think Immersion or at least ducking down in it must have been not uncommon -- the Catholic encyclopedia mentions that deaconesses used to help, apparently, with baptising women.<br /><br />"Functions of deaconesses<br />There can be no doubt that in their first institution the deaconesses were intended to discharge those same charitable offices, connected with the temporal well being of their poorer fellow Christians, which were performed for the men by the deacons. But in one particular, viz., the instruction and baptism of catechumens, their duties involved service of a more spiritual kind. The universal prevalence of baptism by immersion and the anointing of the whole body which preceded it, rendered it a matter of propriety that in this ceremony the functions of the deacons should be discharged by women. The Didascalia Apostolorum (III, 12; see Funk, Didascalia, etc., I, 208) explicitly direct that the deaconesses are to perform this function. " Full article <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04651a.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-73443038688994260612009-10-31T21:18:16.459+00:002009-10-31T21:18:16.459+00:00I gather that in some countries Baptism in the sea...I gather that in some countries Baptism in the sea is illegal. Sorry, I can't remember where I read that. Has anyone else heard of this restriction?Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00419516065899508757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-32042227889323758762009-10-31T20:18:31.500+00:002009-10-31T20:18:31.500+00:00Father's post has reminded me of a visit I mad...Father's post has reminded me of a visit I made to Poitiers a few years ago where there is a very ancient baptistery in the town.<br /><br />I have just refreshed my memory by looking up details and photographs. The actual pool is the size of a jacuzzi and surprisingly it adds that it was added in the VIth century when full immersion was the norm.<br /><br />As far as I can remember I don't think it was all that deep so full immersion must have been a case of horizontal dunking.<br /><br />I am so glad full immersion was not the norm when I was received into the Church otherwise I might have had to change my mind! And as for getting baptised off Shoreham beach - I could no more do that than I could fly.pelerinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807826652341078989.post-4666080649499317592009-10-31T18:35:26.852+00:002009-10-31T18:35:26.852+00:00HaHa, regards your last paragraph. My girlfriends ...HaHa, regards your last paragraph. My girlfriends who had baby boys were always very careful to change the boy's diapers with their, uh, "member" facing AWAY from them i.e. with the head of the baby closest to them. [10-1 the Russian orthodox priests probably point the child atthe person in the baptismal party they least like. :-D<br /><br />As to Baptists, I gather that they do it that way based on the word itself. In any case the "baptism" of the Lord is, of course a different act than how a person today would be baptized. Jesus had no original sin, so of course his own Baptism was merely that -- an immersion, and not a sacrament. Baptists, as far as I know, don't believe in sacraments anyway. "Ordinances" but not sacraments, even though if they use the right formula, that's what they effect.<br /><br />My question is thatI know that anyone (not even a christian) IF he has the right intent and uses water and the right formula may baptise someone.<br /><br />If Baptists DON'T believe in original sin, would the intent be the same?[Or do they believe in original sin?] Because if they do, then there's a contradiction there, because God has no sin and would have no need of baptism in our sense of the meaning.]gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.com